tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post8269807461783382865..comments2024-02-09T08:07:26.090-08:00Comments on Dodgy At Best: ...And Another Begins.Kanuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02959256951835399304noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-33068464648791881622007-06-28T12:10:00.000-07:002007-06-28T12:10:00.000-07:00I know that France is the only team to shut Brazil...I know that France is the only team to shut Brazil out in consecutive matches in World Cup play. <BR/><BR/>Those teams also played in the "Tournoi de France," some sort of tournament a year before WC 1998, which was won by England. They played to a 1-1 draw. <BR/><BR/>I think there was a friendly draw in 2001, and Brazil beat them in a friendly in 1992. It's still a pretty good record.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-38884666312866599212007-06-28T10:06:00.000-07:002007-06-28T10:06:00.000-07:00sorry, that 1986 World Cup match was a quarterfina...sorry, that 1986 World Cup match was a quarterfinal.Kanuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02959256951835399304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-41683187578045213002007-06-28T10:05:00.000-07:002007-06-28T10:05:00.000-07:00I always consider France to be Brasil's kryptonite...I always consider France to be Brasil's kryptonite.<BR/><BR/>2006 World Cup quarterfinal: France 1-0 Brasil<BR/><BR/>1998 World Cup final: France 3-0 Brasil {note: this is Brasil's worst ever defeat in an international match}<BR/><BR/>1986 World Cup semifinal: France beat Brazil on penalties in what Pele described as the best football match he ever saw<BR/><BR/>2001 FIFA Confederations Cup semifinal: France 2-1 Brasil<BR/><BR/>They also played to a 1-1 draw in a friendly tournament in France in 1997 {the one where Roberto Carlos scored on the insane free kick from 40 yards}.<BR/><BR/>To my knowledge the only time Brasil beat France was in the 1958 World Cup semifinal which Brasil won 5-2 thanks to a 17 year old Pele hat trick {France had a dude break his leg early when it was 1-0 Brasil and as there were no subs in those days played the rest of the match with 10 men against what some claim is the best team to ever take the field}.<BR/><BR/>So 3-1 in World Cups, giving them their worst international defeat ever, and 4-1 in international competitions,and 4-1-1 overall is pretty damn good as well.Kanuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02959256951835399304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-6432967281004987032007-06-28T00:31:00.000-07:002007-06-28T00:31:00.000-07:00Sorry--obviously, that should read:"the actual num...Sorry--obviously, that should read:<BR/><BR/>"the actual numbers are 6 wins out of 7 in competitive matches, or 7 out of 8 if you include the U17 result." <BR/><BR/>And (counting the friendlies), assuming you also count the U17 result, when was the last time a team played Brazil 10 times and only lost once?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-90208609312875879332007-06-28T00:27:00.000-07:002007-06-28T00:27:00.000-07:00This is what I've got (from FIFA.com): 6/27/2007: ...This is what I've got (from FIFA.com): <BR/><BR/>6/27/2007: Mexico 2:0 Brazil (Copa America)<BR/>6/19/2005: Mexico 1:0 Brazil (Confederations Cup)<BR/>7/18/2004: Mexico 0:4 Brazil (Copa America)<BR/>7/27/2003: Mexico 1:0 Brazil AET (Gold Cup)<BR/>7/13/2003: Mexico 1:0 Brazil (Gold Cup)<BR/>7/12/2001: Mexico 1:0 Brazil (Copa America)<BR/>8/4/1999: Mexico 4:3 Brazil (Confederations Cup)<BR/><BR/>There are also these two friendlies: <BR/>4/30/2003: Mexico 0:0 Brazil <BR/>3/7/2001: Mexico 3:3 Brazil <BR/><BR/>So the actual numbers are 5 wins out of 6 in competitive matches, or 6 of 7 if you include the U17 result. Certainly it's odd--I don't think Mexico is as good as Brazil--but I doubt any other country has had such a good run of "luck" against the Brazilians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-60103488096138940342007-06-27T23:33:00.000-07:002007-06-27T23:33:00.000-07:00This document shows every result up until 2004 for...<A HREF="http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/mex-intres.html" REL="nofollow">This document</A> shows every result up until 2004 for the senior national team.<BR/><BR/>Solon- I wonder if your stat included "lower" levels, as I know that Mexico beat Brasil 3-0 in the final of the FIFA U17 World Championship in 2005. I don't remember any others, and that doc says they lost 0-4 to The Selecao on the 2004 Copa.<BR/><BR/>As I said, Moin will be here soon enough to sort us out.Kanuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02959256951835399304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-73045872610392373482007-06-27T22:41:00.000-07:002007-06-27T22:41:00.000-07:00Countdown to Moin in three, two, one...Countdown to Moin in three, two, one...Kanuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02959256951835399304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25555967.post-83116972495625654392007-06-27T21:59:00.000-07:002007-06-27T21:59:00.000-07:00Does anyone have the exact numbers of Mexico's rec...Does anyone have the exact numbers of Mexico's recent run of success against Brazil, which continued tonight? <BR/><BR/>A little bit back, Mexico had won 6 of 7 against the Brazilians. Even if I've forgotten a match they lost somewhere in the interim, they've now won 7 of 9 at worst, or 7 of 8 at best. <BR/><BR/>Those are flat-out wins, by the way, no draws. Que ridiculo. <BR/><BR/>It's almost certainly the best run anyone has had against Brasil since they got their shit together (post-Pele). Even pre-Pele, the only team that could possibly have had as good an extended run against Brazil was a 1920's or 1930's Uruguay. <BR/><BR/>Do any of the resident footie historians know if Brazil's ever had it this bad against anyone before?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com